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Noss
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 Posted - 04/05/2008 : 11:29:48
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The write-up is on the main page.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Enjoy the videos. 
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A Dull knife is always better than a broken knife.
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xxo
Starting Member
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 11:58:08
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| Thanks Noss...was wondering how that style of knife would work. Looks like the saw works about as well (or poorly) as the sawback on the Air force pilot's survival knife, which doesn't want to cut any deeper than the saw's teeth. I like the idea of a knife with a saw on it, but except for SAK/multitool saws and the SOG Revover's, most of them don't seem to work very well. |
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macgregor
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 11:58:10
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Thanks noss.
Pretty expensive knife for a distruction test.
Was it donated?
inventor of the bubble distruction test |
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Noss
Moderator
USA
1382 Posts |
 Posted - 04/05/2008 : 12:30:33
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Your welcome men.
xxo: Saws are usually just a problem on fixed blade knives. They don't work well. In this case the saw weakened the tip. I would rather have a strong tough tip than a saw that I will not likely use much. This knife is available without the saw as well. Carrying a SAK or other hand saw would be a better choice if one wanted a saw.
macgregor: They cost $250.00. Yes it was donated to me by a member of the knife community.
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xxo
Starting Member
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 12:56:08
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I think the saw on the pilot's survival knife was intended for cutting aluminum aircraft skins....they may work for that, never tried it. I have tried the sawback on wood and all I got was a notch as deep as the teeth before it quit cutting. Sawing with the knife edge facing up kind of gives me the creeps too.
So far I haven't found a big survival knife that I would want to take the place of a good machete and a SAK with a saw for wilderness survival. |
Edited by - xxo on 04/05/2008 13:01:19 |
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Noss
Moderator
USA
1382 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2008 : 13:36:55
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They were designed for cutting through aluminum air craft skins. Making notches is about the most fixed blade saws are good for. If you look at most saw blades they are very thin on a heavy fixed blade they are very thick and create a lot of drag. They take alot
of effort to get very deep. I will say I do like the Saw pattern on the red six. They are much better then the saws that are just
cut or milled crossway's and sharpened on the edge.
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RedScorpionSix
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 14:16:50
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The saw back was ONLY designed to achieve 1/2 inch depth in cutting a notch. It was not designed to saw through a tree branch. Primary purpose is for notching for making various tools and snares for lashings etc..
We have designs made with the saw back removed.
Looks like you did a good job at trashing the thing. 6 videos and some heavy breathing. I would like to put it out there that I am disappointed in the performance of the Tip Breakage so early.
Whoever donated the blade needs to get in-touch and we will replace it. 
Aaron
Red Scorpion Six Blades, LLC
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xxo
Starting Member
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 14:23:49
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Thanks for the information on the saw Aaron.
I like the look of the version without the saw. |
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Gman1128
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 14:50:18
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| Good test as usual, thanks Noss. The tracker design is cool, kind of a jack of all trades. It held up better than I thought although i would have liked to see the metal on metal test. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the TOPS version in 1095. |
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Noss
Moderator
USA
1382 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2008 : 15:14:33
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Aaron: Welcome to the forum. I'll pass your offer of replacement onto the person who donated it. The tip does not have much metal left between the Saw teeth. It is very thin. I sure this would not have happened on the model without the saw. I was surprised
I could not get the blade to fail during the hammer impacts on the saw portion of the blade due to stress risers a saw can create over a solid spine.
Gman1128: Thanks, I was going to do the metal on metal next but it broke after the second position during the body weight test.
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Tac45
Junior Member
Australia
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 19:37:20
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| Another great test. Thanks Noss. Informative. No bias or BS as usual. Welcome Aaron. Beautiful looking knives. |
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RedScorpionSix
Starting Member
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 23:18:17
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Thanks guys I have modified our design in an up coming release to deal with the Tip strength. I will take steps to deal with the fixtures. The new version has Stainless steel fixtures vs. the brass ones. I did not epoxy them in place due to promoting the removal of scales for guys to build custom scales. We are making the RAVEN WSK in high Carbon tool steel that has a black oxidized finish. We can offer the other bead lasted finishes as an option. They will be really cool. We are currently doing a pre-release order that is invitation only to our customers and forum members.
Aaron
Red Scorpion Six Blades, LLC
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eatingmuchface
Junior Member
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 23:48:44
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quote:
Originally posted by RedScorpionSix
The saw back was ONLY designed to achieve 1/2 inch depth in cutting a notch. It was not designed to saw through a tree branch. Primary purpose is for notching for making various tools and snares for lashings etc..
We have designs made with the saw back removed.
Looks like you did a good job at trashing the thing. 6 videos and some heavy breathing. I would like to put it out there that I am disappointed in the performance of the Tip Breakage so early.
Whoever donated the blade needs to get in-touch and we will replace it.
Aaron
Red Scorpion Six Blades, LLC
www.redscorpionsix.com
anyone else think it's really cool that a maker responds (or even looks at) the destruction test?
I think it's pretty cool that you can back up your product.
that right there says a little something.
:D
and really thats how you can make improvments.
and I thought that was a GREAT test noss (as usual) and at first i thought it was going to be brittle and break on the hammer impacts, but it didn't do too bad.
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kurodrago
Starting Member
Japan
34 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2008 : 00:55:11
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Looks like an interesting alternative.To me the 1095 High Carbon Alloy is tougher than 440C for chopping!
RedScorpionSix knife have a much better blade grinds than the Top's version.
RedScorpionSix Welcome on the forum,good wishes for the new version WSK.
Thanx for the great review noss
They raised a knife in the right hand an pointed towards heaven saying:I have started the truth!
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xxo
Starting Member
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 Posted - 04/06/2008 : 08:49:45
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I think it's very cool that Aaron is posting here and is making some improvements to his knife!
can't wait to see how the new version will do in Noss's tests.  |
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lafayette
Starting Member
France
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 09:36:33
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Great test. But as far as i am concerned this knife is ugly and the blade shape is a handicap : besides whititling and chopping, you can't do much with such a knife. The saw is crap and counter productive. A knife is not only designed to cut wood. For the same price, better buy a swamp rat or a fallkniven.
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