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Noss
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 Posted - 03/24/2008 : 10:56:00
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The writeup/summary is on the site. http://knifetests.com/ChrisReeveGreenBeretDTest.html
If you have a problem with the video dingy let me know 
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Enjoy the videos 
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Man of Iron
Junior Member
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 11:47:01
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New mask, you freak!!! ^^ j/k
Cutleryscience wasn't content about the green beret also.
http://www.cutleryscience.com/reviews/green_beret.html
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In general the Green Beret had low cutting and chopping ability, poor edge retention, ease of sharpening, grip ergonmics and overall durability. The only two standouts of high performance are grip security and point versatility. The steel was especially disappointing it could not even outperform a Buck 119 in 420HC. In general underhardening or over tempering martensitic stainless to drop the hardness is problematic as there are issues with corrosion resistance, carbide precipitation (specific to over temper) and carbide tearouts as the softer martensite can't hold the carbides. In general it is much better to choose a steel which is designed to run at a lower hardness.
In regards to modifications, there is little to start with as the steel choice, heat treatment and basic design is problematic. A thick blade with a narrow profile and shallow sabre hollow grind has a very low cutting ability combined with poor edge durability. All it does well is pry and this steel has low ductility and impact toughness. The handle also has a host of problems; the tang should be flush with the Micarta slabs, the pins should be flush, the guard should be rounded, and the apex of the finger grooves should be more rounded. On the sheath, the stitching should be reinforce, at least duel runs, with periodic cross stitching to prevent unraveling; changed to a more durable liner, adjust the liner so it isn't covered by the nylon.
In short: Stick to the Sebenza.
Wonder if an Emerson PUK will do any better, much cheaper than this, MSRP $240, but shorter blade (3.5"). IIRC, haven't seen you test a proper built 154cm (direct upgrade to 440c). Definitely a bumper, imagine the fun you could have if you bought QVC knives with the $300 instead, 2000 knives will sure take more time to brake than this.
A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it. - Rabindranath Tagore |
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lafayette
Starting Member
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 12:34:04
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I am not surprised either by those low performances. I think this knife is just a mistake : too big to be a mere fghting knife, too weak and too light to be a camp knive (S30 V is not a good choice for such a big knife).
I wounder if the project one would do better. I got one and so far, it is OK : well balanced (fairly efficient for chopping, though it is only 7 1/2 "), tough and versatile. One problem : it is not easy to sharpen it.
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Noss
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 Posted - 03/24/2008 : 14:51:13
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Man of Iron: I sure didn't know what to expect. I was thinking it would at least be able to put on a good show as the Strider did but this didn't happen.
QVC knives would be fun it would be raining metal in the shop. I doubt they have any kind of heat treat I could probably bend them like a pretzel.
lafayette: I hear you. I don't put much stock into cost when testing but 300 bucks is a lot to pay for a lemon of a knife.
Maybe the Project would do better. I don't now. Anytime I buy a work blade or a combat knife as they are named. I expect them to be tough and strong first. If you can have have super tough and strong and great cutting performance and edge retention then this is a plus. Like a Busse very tough, strong great edge holding have great flexibility. Busse's are not cheap but you get what you pay for.
With Green Beret I just really didn't get much for my money other then a nice looking knife but this does not cut it in my book.
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lafayette
Starting Member
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 15:02:48
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Yes, I agree about the green beret : As far as I am concerned, it is only marketing and this knife is too expensive for what it is. By "mistake", I meant the knife itself.
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Noss
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 16:23:08
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It's a good marketing concept I guess.
I know people are going to say well all you do is cut with a knife. Most of the time this is true. However seeing how easy it was to make fail. Chopping or batoning will come into question. One wrong hit and it may fail the user.
I prefer knives that are more user/human proof. We all make mistakes how we use them but can a knife survive these mistakes or do I have to baby the knife
For me I throw my user blades around. I never use technique when I baton. I hit it whenever and however hard I need to to get the job done. I have never broke a blade in the field.
Hammers do not necessarily break a knife as I have seen. I was lead to believe this for a long time until I started doing this. Some of these blade are darn near hammer proof up to a point at least and only hammering some blades through steel am I able to cause catastrophic failure. So I can say with a high degree a certainty that a Scrapyard or Fällkniven or a Busse is never going to fail me a reckless user. 
If all I need to do is cut I will just get a 10 dollar Mora and be done with it all. But I want more out of a knife. I would not buy a tough ,strong super knife if I did not demand it.
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lafayette
Starting Member
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 16:52:58
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I agree : I never use a knife which may fail me or which I find weak. On the field, you can't be cautious. There are four blades I am sure about : FALLKNIVEN ODIN, BUSSE BMF, GRANSFOR HIKING AXE and PROJECT ONE. I know I can trust thoses blades. The Odin is light enough for hiking, the project one is great for dirty jobs and hard conditions, the BMF or the GRANSFOR axe are great for heavy jobs, though a bit heavy.
Getting older, I really start to dislike those "combat" and "tactical" knives. Today, even a pizza is tactical. it is non sense. Well, it is only my opinion.
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eatingmuchface
Junior Member
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 17:27:46
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wow, that was cinfusing!
I thought s3ov was supposed to have good edge retention, dulling (even a little) when chopping a 2x4... I don't consider that good edge retention.
my DFLE holds a better edge!
even though you seemed dissapointed, this just goes to show how overhyped knives can be.
it didn't even take alot of heavy use!
pretty suprising.
great test (as always) noss. |
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itxploded
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 18:05:18
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sweet test
logan
sedated for youre protection
lets continue |
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dingy
New Member
China
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 18:57:06
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hi. man
I have one thing to Share with you and members , is that the poor productors(knives makers) know of their crafts better than we are !
You can check it out by seeing the products they have been done,
the poor maker do not dear make the long blades!
i am disppointed , i mean , the stainless steel! in my mind , the stainless steel is only stuff that making the Kitchen knives well!
by the way , Noss the ban on the youtube is over !!!!
i can enjoy your videos again!!!
eats sh*ts toghter!!! |
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Man of Iron
Junior Member
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:07:55
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Oh boy, you are getting lots of attention (will there will be more) with this test, Noss. Expecting a babyboom at this forum.
PS: Finally made it - 154 posts!!! Hmmmmmm... 154cm, delicious
A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it. - Rabindranath Tagore |
Edited by - Man of Iron on 03/24/2008 19:09:08 |
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kurodrago
Starting Member
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:52:46
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Exactly cliff stamp get it right long time a go! That was dissapointing from S30V...
Thanks noss
They raised a knife in the right hand an pointed towards heaven saying:I have started the truth!
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Noss
Moderator
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:53:03
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eatingmuchface: Yea I was a little shocked for a second it went so fast. You could tell bey my silence I guess. I wasn't sure I would get to the metal on metal test but I did think I would get further.
dingy: VERY COOL ! I'm glad they lifted the ban.
Man of Iron: Yea this seems to happen when I test some of the designer blades. The critics always show them selfs. I don't have any problem with debating my position but when the name calling starts it can get heated.
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Man of Iron
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:17:42
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Noss, you mentioned BMW at BF, wanna push it to the limit too? You will probably need a sugardaddy is you switch to car destruction tests.
Anyway, I also have some trouble to convince myself when a high end knife does not perform as expected/it should be, and regret that I spent my hard earned money on over-rated hypes. Guess I'll never learn unless all the manufacturors price their knives appropiately acoording to the qualtiy, not the hype. *cough*dreamer*cough*
A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it. - Rabindranath Tagore |
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Noss
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:35:36
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kurodrago: Your welcome. Now I need to test a crusader Forge I want to see how their s30v stack up
Man of Iron: I need a sugar daddy for that. Wouldn't that be fun though to test cars to the limit. I just need a crash suit made of INFI !
It is disappointing when a blade does not live up to the hype especially a 300 dollar one. I haven't been able to test very many
high dollar ones because I'm not rich.
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Noss
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Posted - 03/25/2008 : 01:44:41
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Man of Iron 154 posts.
Congratulations !!
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Chris Reeve Green Beret Destruction Test Completed
